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Leo Ellul's avatar

As a Christian Socialist, I obviously enjoy amy promotion of the union of Christianity ans Socialism and I agree with many of your critiques of capitalism and secular leftism. Still, I do feel like this is not really a Christian case for socialism, but rather simply a spiritual and traditionalist case for socialism, whoch I am all for, but I think a truly Christian case for socialism needs to go deeper and be rooted more in the actual life and teachings of Christ and how taking these as God's self-revelation would change our look at the world.

Acid Communist Aachen's avatar

I think you might be trying to have your cake and eat it too. A Christian moral order would *have to* be an arbitrary order for order's sake for it to be what you describe at first.

Either an order is rationally understood and self-imposed by subjects, which is what e.g. Marxist and egoist communists want, or it is *not* understood and implemented nonetheless, which renders it arbitrary from the internal POV. Taboos on e.g. incest or shitting where you eat were arbitrary from our POV, they were spooks in the Stirnerian sense. They served a social evolutionary purpose, but what made those customs religious in nature was that we *didn't understand* their benefits.

To profess a Christian socialism is to have faith; to "surrender" to the arbitrary moral order imposed onto you by God and onto others by yourself. You cannot know or even try to know whether that orders' effects are desirable without "regressing" to a rational, egoistic mode of socialist politics.

I'm all for more conservatism à la Chesterton, but I must say that I prefer egoist subjectivity over moral subjectivity; if only because moral subjectivity breeds moralism which makes addressing structural problems nigh impossible. Rather than imposing moral order on egos, I prefer deconstructing the ego. Such nondualist, mysticist currents exist in most religions including Christianity.

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