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I really enjoyed this article. I just finished We Have Never Been Woke and I have Revolt of the Elite on my shelf, which I’ll be getting too soon. So you won’t have much pushback from me on the symbolic capitalist/elite revolt thesis.

I especially liked how you distinguish politics as a form of coalition building, and wokeness as a form of anti-politics. This speaks to my frustration with the modern left.

I have some questions about the consciousness-first aspect of politics that you talked about. It seems to explain our present climate well, but I’m not sure how well your definition generalizes to previous “awokenings”. You showed some similarities from a materialist lens, but I didn’t see the consciousness-first aspect in the examples you used.

Maybe I’ll have a better understanding of what you mean by “consciousness-first” in your next essay.

Frankly, from my uninformed perspective, I think symbolic politics has prominence because the adherents are from symbolic professions. When college-educated people were 5% of the population, that perspective was counter balanced by more working class institutions and interests. Now, the balanced has shifted in such a way that other perspectives are getting crowded out.

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"In its woke form, this often gets flattened into the assumption that the more marginalized one is, the more epistemically authoritative one’s perspective becomes, while those deemed privileged are expected to treat their own perceptions as inherently suspect."

This right here i always roll my eyes at. I usually view it as a cop out to actually engaging in any kind of debate. Or when a YouTube leftist be like "i as a white person, can not have an opinion on this bc I am not this." God it's so annoying.

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